
From The Complete English Shot by George T. Teasdale-Buckell (1907), not under copyright.
These dogs very much showed the Zelstone influence that once plagued the flat-coat. The coarse bone has been bred out of the flat-coat, and it was on its way of being bred out of the golden, until blockiness and lumber became popular in the eyes of the fancy.
I have more about Zelstone and why flat-coats and goldens, which are both descended from him, originally had the bone bred out of them here.
In goldens, Mrs. Charlesworth refused to breed from a heavily built dog named Noranby Tweedlum because he had too much coarse bone and was too light in color. Someone thought dogs of this type were cute in they golden, for they’ve since taken over most European show lines. However, functional conformation is closer to the modern flat-coat body type than modern the golden.
Strangely, the goldens of this time period had lighter bodies than many flat-coats.

Culham Brass, although an important founding sire of the golden, looked more like a modern flat-coat than many contemporary flat-coats.







Weren’t these referred to as the Wavy Coated Retrievers at this period in time? Or were these dogs registry stud entries at the time? It almost seems as if there was open interpretation of just what was what during this time period. I’m surprised no one took a poodle and tried to call it a Flatcoat or Golden? Or perhaps if we look a bit further….maybe someone did? ;-)
Flat-coats.
Someone in the early 1900’s or late nineteenth century tried to sell curly-coated retrievers with docked tails as standard poodles. It was a scandal.
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