• Home
  • About
  • Contact
  • Patreon
  • Premium Membership
  • Services

Natural History

by Scottie Westfall

Feeds:
« An interesting study, though results not parsimonious
I’d love to have dogs like these »

Tweed water spaniel puppy?

May 7, 2009 by SWestfall3

tweed-water-spaniel-rediscoverd

No, it’s just a goldendoodle. I’m sorry to get your hopes up. This pup even has the top-knot that screams water spaniel, but it is not.

However, this pup looks a lot like the Tweed water spaniel or Tweed water dog. The ones around Ladykirk in Scotland were said to be sandy or tawny in color, which is exactly why they were chosen to be crossed into the strain that became the golden retriever.

The Tweed water dog was said to look almost exactly like a reddish or yellow curly-coated retriever, which makes sense considering it was a cross between the St. John’s water dog and some strain of water spaniel, which is exactly how the curly-coated retriever got started.

Compare this curly-coated retriever puppy with the goldendoodle pictured above. They are quite similar, aren’t they?

Most poodle-golden crosses are recrossed back into the poodle. This increases the likelihood of not having much shedding. However, if you cross back into the retriever, well, you can get pups with golden-type coats, pups with poodle-type coats, and dogs that have some water spaniel characteristics. Both the water spaniels, then, rather obviously derived from the poodle-type English rough water dog crossed with setters and land spaniels.

Posted in Uncategorized | Tagged golden retriever, goldendoodle, Tweed water dog, tweed water spaniel, water spaniel | 9 Comments

9 Responses

  1. on May 7, 2009 at 3:32 pm sherlock and noah

    Very cute picture. You commented on my blog about teaching your dog to sit at a distance from 150 – 200 yds away. How do you signal this from such a far distance? How did you train? Thanks.


    • on May 7, 2009 at 7:09 pm retrieverman

      My dog is voice trained, but a signal is sometimes still necessary for that distance.

      My dog tends to generalize well, but to get to learn the command outside of the traditional context, I started teaching her to sit when I was in any position. A lot of dogs won’t sit unless their handler is standing. After I got her sitting from various different positions, then I started training distance.

      My dog runs to the door when I say “Let’s go for a walk, so when she runs to the door, I started saying sit, before I got to the door. Then I started to incorporate the remote sit into the walks. Sitting steady for a few seconds or minutes was rewarded with more off-leash walking.

      It took her two months to get really proficient at it.


      • on May 8, 2009 at 7:53 pm sherlock and noah

        Thanks, I will definitely try that. I practice the basic commands (sit, down, stand) from various positions (whether I am sitting on the ground, in a chair, standing, with my back turned to my dogs, etc.) and in different locations (training outside, in the dog run, etc.). My 1 year old has a very decent grasp of the command down (from all distances, handler positions, etc.), but I’ve put more time into this one – so I guess now I need to focus primarily on sit. My 7 month old is mellow and not very focused on me at least, (i.e. the personality of the type of golden retriever you mention in your blog as the type you do not like) and I’m still trying to figure out ways to motivate him, short of fasting him the day of training class!


        • on May 8, 2009 at 8:30 pm retrieverman

          What level is Noah’s retrieving instinct?

          He’s only 7 months old, so I would keep working on him.

          What line of golden is his background? Normally, the smaller poodles are very easy to motivate, so it has to come from the retriever side.


          • on May 8, 2009 at 9:34 pm sherlock and noah

            He does not come from field lines. I don’t think Noah’s retrieving instinct is very strong – It is stronger than my maltese/poodle mix’s retrieving instinct, but that’s not saying much. He will retrieve every once in a while, but is certainly not “ball obsessed” like some labs and goldens. He is mouthy like a retriever and he loves to carry things in his mouth (i.e. sticks, leaves, etc.).

            I wanted a mellow, friendly dog that would be great for therapy work with children. He loves children and he would rather sit quietly with them and be pet than off running with his dog friends at the park.

            He is willing to work for me, but only up to a certain point. He gets bored quickly and is food motivated to a certain extent. Sometimes he prefers to play with a stick over grilled chicken. I have found that he responds well to clicker training though. I plan to keep him in group classes until he’s 2 – 3 years old. I would like to introduce him to agility and maybe he will like this more than obedience. However, I would like him to earn the equivalent of the AKC’s CD title. You’re probably right about the smaller poodles – my maltese/poodle mix is very easy to motivate and loves obedience and performing tricks. He loves to work. He is not a high-energy dog, but he is very attached to me and will do anything, as long as it’s with me.


            • on May 9, 2009 at 6:16 pm retrieverman

              The Mixed Breed Dog Clubs of America do have an obedience trial system that awards those titles: http://mbdca.tripod.com/

              The AKC is proposing letting mixed breeds into its obedience trials and agility, but they will be competing in separate classes.


  2. on May 8, 2009 at 11:57 am flattie-n-Labbie

    Retrieverman’s right on. You might also try a sit in motion (from heel) as a way to help your dog generalize the idea.


  3. on August 22, 2009 at 5:25 pm Shelli

    This is a picture of my dog! Was so surprised to see him online when doing a Goldendoodle image search. Anyway, his name is Brody, he’s 3 now, and looks very different from this puppy picture. Cutest, sweetest, and best dog I’ve ever had. Not sure how my DOODLE ended up on GOOGLE, though….. :)


  4. on September 1, 2011 at 10:01 am Chaya Angeline

    hmm



Comments are closed.

  • Like on Facebook

    The Retriever, Dog, and Wildlife Blog

    Promote Your Page Too
  • Blog Stats

    • 9,757,214 hits
  • Retrieverman’s Twitter

    • one person unfollowed me // automatically checked by fllwrs.com 2 weeks ago
    • @TetZoo Cougars/Puma/Mountain Lions have kittens, as do cheetahs because they are not Pantherines. 2 weeks ago
    • @SergioStalino Message me. I got lots of tips on catching and cooking. 2 weeks ago
    • @SergioStalino What kind of reel? 2 weeks ago
    • one person followed me // automatically checked by fllwrs.com 1 month ago
  • Google rank

    Check Google Page Rank
  • Archives

    • September 2020
    • August 2020
    • July 2020
    • June 2020
    • May 2020
    • April 2020
    • February 2020
    • January 2020
    • December 2019
    • November 2019
    • October 2019
    • September 2019
    • August 2019
    • July 2019
    • June 2019
    • May 2019
    • April 2019
    • March 2019
    • February 2019
    • January 2019
    • December 2018
    • November 2018
    • October 2018
    • September 2018
    • August 2018
    • July 2018
    • June 2018
    • May 2018
    • April 2018
    • March 2018
    • February 2018
    • January 2018
    • December 2017
    • November 2017
    • October 2017
    • September 2017
    • August 2017
    • July 2017
    • June 2017
    • May 2017
    • April 2017
    • March 2017
    • February 2017
    • January 2017
    • December 2016
    • November 2016
    • October 2016
    • September 2016
    • August 2016
    • July 2016
    • June 2016
    • May 2016
    • April 2016
    • March 2016
    • February 2016
    • January 2016
    • December 2015
    • November 2015
    • October 2015
    • September 2015
    • August 2015
    • July 2015
    • June 2015
    • May 2015
    • April 2015
    • March 2015
    • February 2015
    • January 2015
    • December 2014
    • November 2014
    • October 2014
    • September 2014
    • August 2014
    • July 2014
    • June 2014
    • May 2014
    • April 2014
    • March 2014
    • February 2014
    • January 2014
    • December 2013
    • November 2013
    • October 2013
    • September 2013
    • August 2013
    • July 2013
    • June 2013
    • May 2013
    • April 2013
    • March 2013
    • February 2013
    • January 2013
    • December 2012
    • November 2012
    • October 2012
    • September 2012
    • August 2012
    • July 2012
    • June 2012
    • May 2012
    • April 2012
    • March 2012
    • February 2012
    • January 2012
    • December 2011
    • November 2011
    • October 2011
    • September 2011
    • August 2011
    • July 2011
    • June 2011
    • May 2011
    • April 2011
    • March 2011
    • February 2011
    • January 2011
    • December 2010
    • November 2010
    • October 2010
    • September 2010
    • August 2010
    • July 2010
    • June 2010
    • May 2010
    • April 2010
    • March 2010
    • February 2010
    • January 2010
    • December 2009
    • November 2009
    • October 2009
    • September 2009
    • August 2009
    • July 2009
    • June 2009
    • May 2009
    • April 2009
    • March 2009
    • February 2009
    • January 2009
    • December 2008
    • November 2008
    • October 2008
    • September 2008
    • August 2008
    • July 2008
  • Recent Comments

    The Evolving Natural… on So does the maned wolf break t…
    SWestfall3 on So does the maned wolf break t…
    Ole Possum on So does the maned wolf break t…
    kuymal on The Thylacine was more a marsu…
    Kerry Rogers on The Thylacine was more a marsu…
  • Meta

    • WordPress.com
  • Pages

    • About
    • Contact
    • Patreon
    • Premium Membership
    • Services
  • Subscribe to Retrieverman's Weblog by Email
  • Revolver map

    Map

  • Top Posts

    • Bulldog goat
  • SiteCounter


  • Donate to this blog

  • Top 50 Northwest Dog Blogs

    top 50 dog blogs

Blog at WordPress.com.

WPThemes.


 

Loading Comments...
 

    %d bloggers like this: