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Golden retriever crossed with wetterhoun

March 24, 2012 by retrieverman

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The answer to this “Identify” query is a golden retriever/wetterhoun cross.

The golden retriever parent is the one that is very widely known.  However, almost all of its identifying traits are recessive and are easily hidden when crossed with another breed.

The other breed is one that isn’t well-known outside its homeland.

The wetterhoun is the Frisian water dog.  It was originally the rough working water dog of Friesland in the Netherlands. The ethnic Frisian people who live there are not Dutch. They speak another language called Frisian, which is the Germanic language that is most closely related to English (if one considers the Scots language to be a dialect of English).  The ancestral Frisian language and that of the Angles were very similar to each other.  The Angle language was spoken on the German mainland and the southern part of Denmark’s Jutland peninsula, while Frisian was restricted to what is now the northeastern part of the Netherlands and a series of islands that stretch up the North Sea coast of German to the Danish border. Frisian is still spoken in Friesland, and it is still spoken on these islands, which are called the Frisian Islands. (I know all of this only because I have ethnic Frisian ancestry from the Nordstrand Peninsula in Schleswig-Holstein in Germany’s Nordfriesland.)

The wetterhoun is from Friesland in the Netherlands.

It is sort of like the Dutch version of the Chesapeake Bay retriever or the extinct St. John’s water dog.  Like the St. John’s water, its exact ancestry isn’t known, but like both of these breeds, they were used for a variety of purposes in their homeland. The dogs were quite commonly used to hunt otters, which were deemed a threat to fish stocks, and they were used to retrieve shot birds and other game.  They are also quite competent guard dogs.

One theory goes that these were derived from the ancestral water dogs of the poodle type that were crossed with the dogs of gypsies and the spitz dogs of the local farmers.  These dogs tended to belong to working class people, who needed gun dogs that were capable of retrieving game but also were of some use in killing rats, polecats, and otters.

Whatever its origins, the wetterhoun is regional landrace of water dog.  It does share a relationship with the other hunting dog from Friesland, the stabyhoun.  The stabyhoun is an HPR, but it does share some relationship with the wetterhoun.   Before they became standardized breeds, they were often crossed with each other.

They still occasionally are.

This dog isn’t a stabyhoun/wetterhoun cross. It is a cross between a wetterhoun and one of those imported breeds.  Golden retrievers can kill rats. I bet they can take down a polecat or mink, but I wouldn’t bet on them taking on an otter,  which is currently a protected species in the Netherlands.

The wetterhoun is one of the last of the old regional water dog breeds still in existence. Most of these dogs have been absorbed into improved and standardized breeds, be they poodles or barbets, water spaniels, or retrievers.

No one got the answer right in the initial query.

This was a tricky one.

 

 

 

Posted in dog breeds | Tagged golden retriever, wetterhoun | 14 Comments

14 Responses

  1. on March 24, 2012 at 9:59 am Identify this black crossbreed « The Retriever, Dog, & Wildlife Blog

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  2. on March 24, 2012 at 10:20 am M.R.S.

    The wetterhoun is probably the one of today’s types that is most representative of the “rough water dog” depicted by Bewick and earlier writers. Poodle, Barbet, PWD, etc are also derivatives of the rough water dog (which came in varied sizes and colorings).

    Add the smooth water dogs/setters/spaniels/other gundogs, and these breeds/types are varying threads interwoven in a fascinating and complex tapestry.


    • on March 25, 2012 at 3:28 pm Jan

      So you could say this is a doodle dog of sorts? ;D


  3. on March 24, 2012 at 11:58 am jean

    wow I got it right ,lol i dont even know what a wetterhound looks like but the name came into my head when i saw the pic the other day


  4. on March 24, 2012 at 1:39 pm Kate Williams

    Now that was obscure, but fascinating.


  5. on March 24, 2012 at 3:12 pm massugu

    Hey Scottie, just keepin’ it straight. Back about 1525, a bunch of Dutch Lutherans fled the Hapsburg Inquisition in Holland and settled in Schleswig-Holstein (as well as in western Poland), so in fact some Frisian speakers in S-H actually are Dutch (or part Dutch anyway.) My Jaaks/Jaacks ancestors were descended from some of these Dutch settlers.


    • on March 24, 2012 at 3:19 pm retrieverman

      That’s one reason that after the Dutch Republic was declared independent of Spain religious toleration became the mainstay of its success.

      There were areas of the Dutch Republic that were majority Catholic and still are today.

      The German dialects that were historically spoken in Schleswig-Holstein are Low German, and Low German is closer to Dutch than modern standard German is. That ethnic Dutch Lutherans would move there to avoid persecution makes perfect sense.


  6. on March 24, 2012 at 5:26 pm Éadaoin

    That is absurdly obscure. I’d never have guessed.


  7. on March 25, 2012 at 1:07 am Waterdogn

    I was hoping for a wetterhoun picture! I found this video of a litter of 5 week old puppies and some older dogs.


  8. on April 28, 2012 at 4:56 pm Marleen

    Wow… This is my dog…. And my picture ;-)
    How did you find the picture?


    • on April 28, 2012 at 4:58 pm Marleen

      that is a picture of the whole dog :-)


      • on April 28, 2012 at 5:02 pm retrieverman

        A very similar dog is Paris:

        http://retrieverman.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/paris-was-a-long-haired-st-johns-water-dog/

        Wavy-coated retrievers are the ancestors of the golden retriever.

        Maybe some Wetterhoun brings out the old genes.


      • on April 28, 2012 at 5:06 pm retrieverman

        What’s your full name, so I can give you credit for the photo?


    • on April 28, 2012 at 5:03 pm retrieverman

      I was getting a lot of hits from a Dutch language dog forum, and I saw him.

      Then I spent some hours googling for a photo.



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