• Home
  • About
  • Contact
  • Patreon
  • Premium Membership
  • Services

Natural History

by Scottie Westfall

Feeds:
« Depictions of golden retrievers from 1930’s cigarette cards
Giraffes and lumpers and splitters »

The Afghan hounds that weren’t

May 16, 2012 by SWestfall3

This image comes from a piece in the Afghan Hound Times.

All the historical information comes from Jess Ruffner, who has the DesertWindHounds blog.

Apparently some Afghan hound sources counted two dogs, Khelat and Kushki, as Afghan hounds.

They were nothing of the sort.

They were both dogs that we’d recognize as Central Asian ovtcharkas. No description of Kushki is given– other than the dog was creamy white.

But Khelat appears to be an ovtcharka with a twist– a shaggy, poodle-type coat.

These dogs were imported to England in the 1880’s, but a more Ovtcharka-looking dog named “Shere Ali” was exhibited at Crufts in 1879– right in the middle of the Second Afghan War.

Posted in dog breeds | Tagged aziat, Central Asian ovtcharka | 10 Comments

10 Responses

  1. on May 16, 2012 at 3:57 pm M.R.S.

    The caption for the drawing says “Afghan dog”, i.e., dog from Aghanistan. Not necessarily an “Afghan Hound” of the breed known by that name today. It could well be an ovtcharka — there are at least four varieties recognized, one of which is a shaggy-coated sort resembling Khelat.


    • on May 16, 2012 at 3:58 pm retrieverman

      That’s what Jess did with the source, but there are sources that say these are Afghan hounds.


  2. on May 16, 2012 at 4:00 pm DesertWindHounds

    You run into some problems with classification of Afghan hounds in the 1800s. They were called ‘Persian greyhounds’ by pretty much everybody except the natives, so you can find a mention of a Persian greyhound and you have to track down where it came from. The earliest official use of ‘Afghan greyhound’ I have found is in an 1881 show catalog.


    • on May 16, 2012 at 11:28 pm Kathy

      The Afghan Hound has a characteristic gait, I believe. It kicks out behind and lifts its feet high in front. What is that all about? Is its ancestry different from other sighthounds or is there some other explanation? Is there any difference in gait at a gallop?
      (If this is a really big subject, just tell me to go Google. Thanks.)


      • on May 17, 2012 at 11:18 am M.R.S.

        That sort of trotting gait is a show-ring construct, a debasement of the high-headed, light-footed movement said to be a characteristic of the breed. Very doubtful if true working hounds would travel in that manner.


      • on May 17, 2012 at 3:36 pm DesertWindHounds

        You can google but you won’t get anything. The history of the Afghan hound is a Western history, of a dog selected for show dog characteristics. Even the racing dogs came somewhat later in the development of the Western population.

        Salukis and Afghans are so closely related, genetically, that even dogs that have been bred within separated closed populations for almost a century cluster together (caveat: small sample size.) It’s my opinion, which may mean nothing, that the Afghan hound is part of the Saluki/Tazi complex and not a ‘breed’ as we understand it in the West. It does not fit the ‘breed defined by isolation’ definition, like Azawakh or Basenji, either. It is a sub-population of Saluki/Tazi.

        The Afghan was brought to the West in two initial kennel populations, the Ghaznis and the Bell-Murrays. IIRC it was some of the Bell-Murrays that had the bouncy gait. The modern gait with the flinging, is, as M.R.S. states, a construct for the show ring. One of my mine does it; it is highly inefficient and absolutely not something I would breed for. Dogs that exhibit this gait also tend to be inefficient at the gallop, as well, too much up and down movement. I cannot imagine a hunter breeding for such a gait. This is a running dog, not a trotting dog. Trotting is for getting where you’re going, running is what you do when you get there.

        A typical Western Afghan should have a springy gait as part of it’s breed characteristics, as defined by the Victorian definition of breed, where we must be different than the Saluki, which should have a light, floating gait. I will admit to being intellectually inconsistent; I prefer a springy, powerful gait in my Afghans and like dogs that give an impression of being coiled and ready to spring in any direction. IME, such dogs are excellent jumpers. It’s not a necessity, though, and dogs that fling their feet out behind them and exhibit very loose ligament connections in order to create great reach in the front are not typical, efficient, or very functional. Don’t get me started on sidegait or TRAD.


        • on May 17, 2012 at 9:47 pm Kathy

          Thank you. I’m glad to hear that the whole breed hasn’t been corrupted with an inefficient gait.


  3. on May 16, 2012 at 4:23 pm Alectorix

    En la literatura sobre el origen de los perros de caza siempre aparece la misma teoría de la misma zona geográfica:
    Aunque las fronteras han cambiado con el paso del tiempo.
    Alguien ha escrito que el origen del “espaniel bretón frances” es un cruce con un perro afgano.
    Otros dicen que los “afganos perros” son el origen de perros de agua “Turcos” de España y Portugal.
    Y en la formación de “golden” argumentan que hay pastor ruso.
    En cualquier caso la imagen es “canis pastoralis” de pelo duro¿? base del “deutsch drahthaar” y “griffons”.


    • on May 16, 2012 at 4:38 pm retrieverman

      Esta literatura es la mitología. No hay ninguna relación entre estos galgos y perdigueros y retrieveres y spanieles.


  4. on July 5, 2012 at 3:38 pm martingale dog collars

    I love Afghan hounds they are so beautiful!



Comments are closed.

  • Like on Facebook

    The Retriever, Dog, and Wildlife Blog

    Promote Your Page Too
  • Blog Stats

    • 9,673,727 hits
  • Retrieverman’s Twitter

    • one person unfollowed me // automatically checked by fllwrs.com 1 day ago
    • @SarcasmStardust How is he not like Walt from Gran Torino? Fewer guns, I guess. 6 days ago
    • @TetZoo He is also a good writer. I loved his show on Animal Planet. 1 week ago
    • one person unfollowed me // automatically checked by fllwrs.com 2 weeks ago
    • @SarcasmStardust Life in Ohio. 2 weeks ago
  • Google rank

    Check Google Page Rank
  • Archives

    • October 2020
    • September 2020
    • August 2020
    • July 2020
    • June 2020
    • May 2020
    • April 2020
    • February 2020
    • January 2020
    • December 2019
    • November 2019
    • October 2019
    • September 2019
    • August 2019
    • July 2019
    • June 2019
    • May 2019
    • April 2019
    • March 2019
    • February 2019
    • January 2019
    • December 2018
    • November 2018
    • October 2018
    • September 2018
    • August 2018
    • July 2018
    • June 2018
    • May 2018
    • April 2018
    • March 2018
    • February 2018
    • January 2018
    • December 2017
    • November 2017
    • October 2017
    • September 2017
    • August 2017
    • July 2017
    • June 2017
    • May 2017
    • April 2017
    • March 2017
    • February 2017
    • January 2017
    • December 2016
    • November 2016
    • October 2016
    • September 2016
    • August 2016
    • July 2016
    • June 2016
    • May 2016
    • April 2016
    • March 2016
    • February 2016
    • January 2016
    • December 2015
    • November 2015
    • October 2015
    • September 2015
    • August 2015
    • July 2015
    • June 2015
    • May 2015
    • April 2015
    • March 2015
    • February 2015
    • January 2015
    • December 2014
    • November 2014
    • October 2014
    • September 2014
    • August 2014
    • July 2014
    • June 2014
    • May 2014
    • April 2014
    • March 2014
    • February 2014
    • January 2014
    • December 2013
    • November 2013
    • October 2013
    • September 2013
    • August 2013
    • July 2013
    • June 2013
    • May 2013
    • April 2013
    • March 2013
    • February 2013
    • January 2013
    • December 2012
    • November 2012
    • October 2012
    • September 2012
    • August 2012
    • July 2012
    • June 2012
    • May 2012
    • April 2012
    • March 2012
    • February 2012
    • January 2012
    • December 2011
    • November 2011
    • October 2011
    • September 2011
    • August 2011
    • July 2011
    • June 2011
    • May 2011
    • April 2011
    • March 2011
    • February 2011
    • January 2011
    • December 2010
    • November 2010
    • October 2010
    • September 2010
    • August 2010
    • July 2010
    • June 2010
    • May 2010
    • April 2010
    • March 2010
    • February 2010
    • January 2010
    • December 2009
    • November 2009
    • October 2009
    • September 2009
    • August 2009
    • July 2009
    • June 2009
    • May 2009
    • April 2009
    • March 2009
    • February 2009
    • January 2009
    • December 2008
    • November 2008
    • October 2008
    • September 2008
    • August 2008
    • July 2008
  • Recent Comments

    markgelbart on Retiring this Space
    oneforestfragment on Retiring this Space
    The Evolving Natural… on So does the maned wolf break t…
    SWestfall3 on So does the maned wolf break t…
    Ole Possum on So does the maned wolf break t…
  • Meta

    • WordPress.com
  • Pages

    • About
    • Contact
    • Patreon
    • Premium Membership
    • Services
  • Subscribe to Retrieverman's Weblog by Email
  • Revolver map

    Map

  • Top Posts

    • The ancient union
  • SiteCounter


  • Donate to this blog

  • Top 50 Northwest Dog Blogs

    top 50 dog blogs

Blog at WordPress.com.

WPThemes.


Loading Comments...
Comment
    ×
    %d bloggers like this: