This is dubbed in English, so you can understand the method. They don’t believe in closed registries out on taiga. The dogs they use in the crosses don’t even have to be domestic!
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No. That’s not hunting. That’s a test bear used to test laikas on bear. It has nothing to do with hunting. And it’s no different that letting dogs retrieve pen raised birds.
Ah..
Are they actual wolf crosses or is that the name?
They are wolf crosses.
Wow.. Good looking animals
Sounds like a cool project; open registries are a good idea, and as long as you’re out in the country, there’s nothing wrong with crossing wild wolves with domestic wolves (dogs). However, it sickens me to see people abusing bears in this way.
They are no more abused than the rats that are used for earthdog trials in this country. All the laikas are doing is bark at the bears. This is not bear baiting.
I’m glad it’s not bear-baiting (bloodsport), but even though the dogs are not actually biting the bear, he’s probably still alarmed by all the barking, growling, and snapping. I don’t think the bear feels like he’s playing with the dogs through a fence; I think he’s frightened or angered by the experience.
It’s more like what people do with raccoons and coonhounds. It’s very common to trap a raccoon and let the young hounds bay it in the cage.
These bears are generally well-cared for when they aren’t be used to test laikas.
In addition to our large dog, we also have a cat and two tortoises. I supervise all interspecific interactions to make sure no one gets hurt. The smaller animals are all afraid of the bigger dog, but at least they’re not scared out of their minds every time they see him, because he’s not allowed to give chase, bark at them, mouth them, etc. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for these bears. They may be larger, but solitary bears and social wolves are natural competitors. I’m glad these bears are not being physically harmed, but psychologically, I think they are still stressed. Just tapping on a cage at a zoo is enough to enrage some animals, and this treatment is a few steps more severe than that, so I’m opposed to it.
A good but somber exposure to Laikas can be had via John Vaillant’s best seller ‘The Tiger’.
But this is what it is – utility dogs. Good way to train them. I wonder how the Fins train their Karelian Bear Dogs.
They use a stuffed bear on a remote controlled device. LOL.
And I know this only from Dave Parsons, who went to a Laika Days event in Finland.
This is really funny. I couldn’t stop laughing.
Animal abuse imo
Opinions are like assholes though.
Everyone has one, and they all stink.
No different than this:
Sorry, Retrieverman, but that video seems pretty bad to me … and to lots of others who’ve viewed it, I see. Just because those doves get fed, that doesn’t make it okay to shake them and leave them out as a lure for carnivores. That’s very stressful for them, and will likely shorten their lifespan, even if they never get eaten. If people want to go hunting with their canine friends, then so be it, but they shouldn’t be torturing other animals in their care to do it.
And BTW – I think hunting foxes, or any other carnivoran, is a big mistake.
The biomass of carnivores is necessarily 1/10th that of herbivores, making carnivores more vulnerable to over-hunting. Better to stick to hunting herbivores. I also find it very weird that people take their pet canids to go hunting for … other canids. Yech.
Foxes and raccoons have to be controlled due to what is called mesopredator release. If these animals are not controlled, they will overpopulated and severely reduce the populations of certain animals, especially ground nesting birds. I totally support foxhunting. I come from fox hunting and fox trapping stock, and I will not allow my heritage to be insulted by such puerile bromides.
All the best bird dog trainers use birds. Fact. All of them.
You may not like it, but it’s not animal cruelty because you decided to be a judgmental twit about it.
If you don’t like it, leave.
http://www.cof.orst.edu/leopold/papers/mesopredators.pdf
Please read that before spouting off about what you think is an appropriate animal to hunt. I don’t care if you have a degree in sciences. It doesn’t mean you know everything there is to know about wildlife management, which you obviously don’t.
The others who viewed it are AR whackjobs that I honestly don’t think are even human. They have no idea about how the real world works. They live on cloud 9 and make pronouncements about things they do not understand.
I hate animal rights activists. I don’t guild the lily. I really do hate them.
Don’t expect animal rights to be respected in places where those in charge don’t even respect human rights. Peter
Well, no argument there, but I have a deep respect for Russian trappers and hunters.
Human rights is fairly relative, and largely depends on how you define it.
Even in countries with the best human rights records, such as Norway, Sweden, Finland and Canada; Russia still has better indigenous rights and minority language rights according to United Nations. They have a very benign paternalism toward ethnic minorities.
We like to think ourselves as a better country because we recognize same-sex relationships, feminism and secularism. However, European descendants are still participate in assimilation, cultural genocide and displacement; whereas Russians recognize without Siberians, there is no Siberia to exploit.
So before pointing fingers, at least remember how Anglo-American Empire under the guise of transnational corporations continue to exploit and sysmtematicaly undermine human rights progress for Africans, South Americans, Middle Easterns, Asians and now East Europeans for cheap labour, resources at fire-sale prices and inexpensive products.
So don’t give this crap about “don’t expect animal rights in places without human rights” when the reason for your lavish lifestyle is built upon outsourcing human right violations and rape of the environment. The charade about UK being the better nation is “hear no evil, see no evil” at its very worst.
Both these men: the one doing the commentary and the man with the limp, are, frankly, not very nice to to know.
Be as rude as you like but it won’t justify wanton killing of, for example, foxes – as the vast majority of the British public decided leading to the outlawing of hunting with dogs.
Which is really just inverted class politics. It has nothing to do with animal welfare.
The foxes are killed very rapidly by hounds. Wolves used to do the same thing, but guess what you did to your wolves…
Oh yeah.
It can be justified.
READ THE LITERATURE ON MESOPREDATOR RELEASE.
It is something that almost has to be done.
Unless you don’t care about biodiversity.
You are correct. Everything has to be done in moderation. You can’t afford and probably shouldn’t allow organised hunting to wipe out foxes, but overpopulation of foxes will lead to other problems.
In my neighbourhood of Mississauga (a big city close to Toronto), I used to see pet cats hunt birds all the time. I was so distressed once that I let my Kuvasz boy K2 chase a cat to instill that fear in it. The reason is that we had wiped out coyotes in Mississauga and birds hunting cats had proliferated. Now that a dozen coyotes have moved into the neighbourhood, the cats have suddenly disappeared and I know they have not been eaten by coyotes. They are so afraid that they are staying at home.
However, coyotes themselves are Mesopredators and they are flourishing for ages now because we wiped out gray wolves long time ago. Now that gray wolves are slowly claiming their old territory, I know it fully well that the picnic days of coyotes in our forests are numbered. Hence they are heading for cities, making the pet cats head for home, letting the birds chirrup in our woods again.
Just speaking from experience, a local hunt would occasionally come onto our land as “the unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable”. It was horrible to watch and offended most people in the village. You would have had to be here to know exactly what I’m talking about. And these people were so arrogant. Trailing after the whole bunch of hounds and riders was usually a 4×4 with the ‘terrier men’ armed with terriers and spades to dig out any unfortunate fox driven into “going to ground” Even the smallest pup would be thrown to the hounds to be dismembered. Children of the fox hunters witnessing their first hunt would be ceremonially smeared with blood from “the kill”. Britain has long been a classless society, your perceptions are well out of date. It was so disgusting and the nation as a whole got rid of this barbaric hobby. Some of them now run drag hunts awaiting the day that some right wing governent seeks to restore foxhunting. They’ll have to wait a long a long time.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22007058
BBC disagrees.
Even Soviet Union wasn’t even truly classless as the income disparity between between the 10% top and the 10% bottom was 1:5 ratio or 1:4 at its very best. Even Nordic countries still have concept of “lower class”, ” lower middle class”, “upper middle” and “upper class” with income disparity of 1:5 or 1:6. Last time I checked, the income inequality is about the same as United States (1:15). Oh, if you are wondering, UK is 1:13.
I think instead of banning the traditional sport altogether they should have regulated it, for example, prohibiting digging the ground, prohibiting hunting a litter feeding mom or dad, maximum number of foxhounds per hunt, so on and so forth. They could have also increased the hunt fee and restricted the number of foxes taken.
By banning the sport they sent thousands of people across the UK jobless and caused drastic culling of foxhound packs.
“Britain has long been a classless society,” Hahahahaha–just like the U.S. right? (*snarfle*, laugh, tehee, LOL, ROFL. You are really too much!)
been here lately?
I was there in 2007. Not a wolf to be seen.
We still have wolves, if not pure ones then coyote-wolf hybrids.
Yup…I also read the news and see the same oligarchic takeover happening in the UK and Canada as has happened here. If you think that Britain is a classless society I suggest you talk to a clerk at Wimpy’s or a servitor at your local fish and chips purveyor. I suspect they’ll have a slightly different take on the matter. You don’t need to have the title Earl to presume the perqs of one.
I find it hilarious that New Labour was so eager to ban foxhunting, but it also did its best to increase fees for universities and cut back on the social safety net.
More concerned with foxes than the people of the country.
Pretty depressing.
Plus while they were banning foxhunting, they joined up with George W. Bush and all his war criminal friends in the “liberation” of Iraq.
David Cameron is a regular Emiliano Zapata!
Laika crosses, mongrels or mutts which resemble laikas are called “laikoid.”
For some reason, the Russians make a distinction between pure-bred laikas, aboriginal laikas and laikoids.
Fifty million people is it, who don’t get proper health care provision? That is nearly equivalent to the whole population of the UK where no one is without national health care provision – which goes back to my contention that we are progressively a classless society, but yes warts and all and with a long way to go to match scandinavian standards if we ever can.
Oh yes and those massive prisons housing a disproportionate percentage of the black male population. However, neither US nor UK can be altogether proud of the behaviour of their respective governments, can they? “Cast not the first stone” etc.
One last observation: remember that the world’s recent financial problems began with the sub prime loans scandal in America which subsequently caused so much hardship all over the world and created the need for governments “cutting back”. Anyway, I’m relieved by today’s news that Britain is currently making the fastest recovery in Europe – provided that this is actually true!