It looks like this.
This pup was born to a litter of Gordons at Setanta Setters.
Red Gordons are rare.
The equally faulty liver and tan coloration that is commonly called “red” is not red, unless one accepts the doberman and border collie color scheme (which I think is totally wrong. This color is liver, not red.)
Whether a color is described as “liver” or “red” is a quibbling point, IMO. The red Dobermans I have seen don’t seem liver-colored to me. I think of dogs like German Shorthaired Pointers as being liver-colored.
The ASCA standard for the Australian shepherd allows for “The recognized colors are blue merle, red (liver) merle, solid black, and solid red (liver) all with or without white markings and/or tan (copper) points with no order of preference.” My young Aussie is the deep liver red to me, but other people think she is “brown” or “chocolate-colored.”
I wish they had a picture of the red Gordon as an adult. Looks like the nose pigment is black, so it wouldn’t be the same as Doberman or BC or Aussie red.
It’s not quibbling. Red to yellow (to white in poodles) is e/e. Dobermans and GSP’s are b/b dogs, and in those breeds it is E/E.
Those dogs don’t look red to me. An Irish setter or a red German or miniature pinscher looks red.
These dogs are livers, and always will be to me.
Although I may be laughed at for calling a red doberman as liver and tan doberman.
And in Border collies, you can have e/e’s. These are called Australian reds or golden border collies. They aren’t sables. They have no black hairs on them at all.
Naming colors is about as reliable as breed names, IMO. That is, not at all.
And yes, what is exactly the same genetics across breeds seems to get individual treatment by isolated and ignorant breed clubs. It seems that Border Collies are particularly guilty, we don’t call ANY of our colors the same names as the majority of other breeds do.
Australian Red is the worst *some are trying to call it GOLD now, not golden. But we also have “slate” and “dilute” for Blue.
Lilac. LILAC.
And don’t get me started on the rare combinations.
I barely can stand that liver Labradors are called chocolates. I guess that’s better advertising for the kids. I’d rather have chocolate than liver.
Shaded Deadgrass anyone? anyone?
I think the red/chocolate one makes sense… as some dogs look rusty red, others look like milk chocolate. And yeah, I guess masked, shaded, dread grass dogs look just like the name.
I don’t like the name “liver.” Nor do I particularly like “Australian red” or “ee red” as they give irrelevant or excess information.
With that particular breed (Chesapeake), I have a very hard time telling the genotype of the color just by looking at the dog.
One of the reasons why brown skin is frowned upon in goldens is that when the flat-coat and golden split, you could easily place a liver dog into the golden registry. If you bred this dog to a normal black-skinned yellow golden, you will get black puppies, which was the color they were sure belonged to the flat-coat.
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Must be similar to the red Rotties that spring up occasionally.
http://www.resteddoginn.ca/redlitter.php
Those red rotties are liver and tans.
This one http://www.colossalrottweilers.com/rarerottweilers.html at the top is solid red, and this guy http://www.blufftontoday.com/node/14779 was in rescue but appears to be the classic Rottie phenotype if not a very similar mix.
I get all discombobulated by all the different breed colors: red/ruby/apricot, red/liver/chocolate, cream/buff, fawn/Isabella, etc…if anything needs a standard, it’s what descriptives to use for which colors!
And, aren’t all coat colors just combinations/variations of the two colors Black and Yellow (and don’t tell me Black is not a color!)?
Seems pretty amazing what you end up with.
Yes, black is color, and you are exactly right.
I have an adult red (liver Gordon Setter. And her nose is black, but she gets winter nose and it goes a dark fleshy pink. Her toenails are the same colour as her fur, not a single is black. Her brother was a proper tan and black gordon. She gets mistaken for an Irish a lot I think because they aren’t very common where we live (none of the setters really are) although she is nowhere near the ruby colours of an Irish Setter and is built completely differently. But she is properly gorgeous and her red (liver) colour is beautiful.