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Unbelievable creationist stupidity

June 8, 2012 by retrieverman

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I’ve never heard of Dr. Carl Werner before.

But he makes a claim that I haven’t heard before:

In the clip, he claims that evolution says all organisms change over time, but he has found fossil evidence that certain marine organisms from the fossil record are the same or very similar to ones living today.

That disproves evolution!

Um. No.

The theory of evolution does not say that all organisms will change dramatically over the millions of years of their existence. All evolution posits is that change will happen over time.

That’s all.

It doesn’t say that because it is impossible for things like sharks and clams to have remained very similar over the millions of years.

For example, we have lots of sharks in the ocean right now– and some are pretty strange– but we don’t haven any sharks living in the ocean today (as far as we know) that look like this species that lived 225-280 million years ago.

Werner wants us all to believe that just because certain organisms haven’t changed much that this somehow destroys evolution.

It does not.

All that he has done is present a kind of childish strawman argument, which he easily tears down using evidence that everyone agrees is correct.

We would expect to find certain marine organisms in the same layers that include dinosaur fossils. That’s because many of these organisms evolved long before there were any dinosaurs.

That they haven’t changed much since then is not evidence that evolution doesn’t happen.

It’s that some forms work really well, and there are no selection pressures for dramatic change.

Now, Werner would have an argument if we found fossils of organisms that are in layers that have been dated to a very different time to which we would expect to find them.

J.B.S Haldane, one of the founders of the modern science of population genetics, was once asked what discovery would make him doubt the fact of evolution.

“Fossil rabbits in the Precambrian,” was his answer.

He made this statement after being challenged by Sir Karl Popper to show that the hypotheses behind the theory of evolution would be falsifiable.

Haldane said the existence of rabbits from that time period would falsify evolution. Precambrian life forms were very basic– and not very common. Any fossils of that would be found in rocks dating to that period in earth’s history would be among the first organisms in existence.

If we discovered rabbit fossils in those layers, that would be major affront to the theory of evolution, for it would show that really advanced and complex organisms were around really early in earth’s geologic history.

And no one has found a rabbit from those layers.

I don’t know what sort of science Dr. Werner claims to be using here, but using strawmen to the basics of evolution isn’t a very good way to test the theory’s hypotheses.

It’s actually what we call intellectual dishonesty, and all it does is make him look like a total fool.

Evolution does not say that all organisms change dramatically over time.

Evolution merely posits that change happens.

 

 

Posted in creationism, evolution | Tagged Carl Werner, creationism | 12 Comments

12 Responses

  1. on June 8, 2012 at 4:20 pm Kate Williams

    I disagree with you. That is totally believable Creationist Stupidity


    • on June 8, 2012 at 4:22 pm retrieverman

      The only other creationist I know of who tries this same crap is Harun Yahya, and he’s a Muslim.

      Even Kent Hovind and Ken Ham use more sophisticated arguments than this!


  2. on June 8, 2012 at 5:04 pm massugu

    Doctor of what I wonder? And how in the hell did he get a doctorate without learning how to think?


    • on June 8, 2012 at 5:11 pm retrieverman

      http://www.creationconversations.com/page/archived-ask-the-expert-dr-3 An MD. I wouldn’t want him treating me!


  3. on June 8, 2012 at 7:15 pm massugu

    Well, one of his arguments was just blown out of the water. See “Scientists Create Artificial DNA Molecule” at http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2012/0604/Scientists-create-artificial-DNA-molecule


  4. on June 9, 2012 at 12:11 pm Ogre Magi

    How did that prehistoric shark use it’s jaws?


    • on June 9, 2012 at 1:18 pm retrieverman

      It may not have carried its teeth outside it mouth like that.

      The current research says that it carried the teeth deep inside its throat and shot them out to catch cephalopods.


      • on June 9, 2012 at 4:24 pm Ogre Magi

        Kind of like the Jaws of the Xenomorphs from the Aliens movies?


        • on June 9, 2012 at 4:46 pm retrieverman

          Yes.


  5. on June 10, 2012 at 12:27 pm massugu

    If I remember correctly, they were thought to have been used to clean the flesh out of the shells of cephalopods like the chambered nautilus–kind of a natural escargot fork.


    • on June 10, 2012 at 12:49 pm retrieverman

      That’s the old hypothesis.

      If it worked that way, then the shark would have been a very inefficient swimmer.


  6. on June 10, 2012 at 1:47 pm EmilyS

    WTF? there are many creatures/plants that have changed very little over evolutionary time.. can you say “horsecrab”?. Does he think he just discovered something?



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